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Tux4Kids + Knoppix = Kids enjoying Linux

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- By Robin 'Roblimo' Miller -
The Open Source Education Foundation and Tux4Kids have made a prototype kid-oriented version of the well-regarded "runs from a CD without installing" Knoppix distribution. It still has some rough edges, but my associate reviewers -- Shantia Younger (age 9) and Earl Holly (age 8) -- both found a lot to like. So did their mom, Alicia Younger (age 27), although she had one major complaint that further development will probably make worse instead of solving.

Alicia's complaint

Throughout our review session, Alicia kept saying things like, "Wait your turn. Earl, let your sister do it for herself," and, "Shantia, you just had a turn at the computer. Go do something else and leave your brother alone."

Alicia's other main comment was, "I'd like to try some of these games and things myself. They look like fun. But I'll never be able to get at the computer while the kids are awake at this rate, and after they go to bed I'll be too tired."

If anything, additional development of this fine effort is going to make Alicia's problem with Tux4Kids software worse, since she is a single mom with a low-level warehouse job and only has a computer because it was given to her free. There is no way she can afford to buy computers for both children and still have one she can use herself to keep accumulating skills that may eventually help her get a better job.

But enough of that. Let's move on to the specific kid-level programs included with this distribution and see what our testers had to say about them.

TuxTyping

TuxTyping is a typing tutorial program with several levels. Shantia proved to be a more proficient typist than Earl, but it seems that although their school has computers and they spend several hours every week in computer classes, they have had no typing instruction at all. This was their first typing tutorial, and they loved its game format, with letters raining down, space-invader style, that could only be stopped by typing the correct one before it hits little cities that surround Tux in his little mission control stand. When you get the right letter, a visible stream of light makes it explode with appropriate sound and graphics.

More advanced levels use whole words, not individual letters. Neither Earl nor Shantia is ready for anything beyond the easiest level, but the game holds their interest well enough that there's a fair chance they will move beyond the lowest level before long.

Adult input was needed to give them the idea of using more than one or two fingers to type, but this is true of almost all kid-level typing tutorial software. The background music seemed sappy and repetitive to adult ears, but Earl and Shantia thought it was fine.

TuxTyping is a mature, totally usable program. Earl and Shantia both gave it a "We want to play with it a lot" rating.

Tux of Math Command

Tux4Kids shows Tux of Math Command as 50% complete. That's about right. Only part of the game is actually usable, but what there is works fine. The concept is identical to TuxTyping: Tux sits in a little control center and you need to type in the answers to arithmetic problems before they fall down on little cities at the bottom of the screen and destroy them.

The problems given in the completed part of the game were too hard for Earl and Shantia. Earl soon resorted to hitting keys at random just to make noise. Shantia tried to do the arithmetic, but was overwhelmed. It would have been better to start out with simple addition and subtraction, two digits or less.

Indeed, this program needs a one-digit problem starting point, because you need to be a reasonably proficient typist in order to type a two-digit or three-digit answer and hit return before a problem destroys a city -- even if you know the answer off the top of your head.

The basic look and feel passed Earl's "I like to blow things up" test, and Shantia enjoyed the problem-solving aspect. We'll come back to this one when a little more work has been done on it -- or when the kids have practiced up on their typing and have gotten a little better at math. Lots of promise here.

TuxPaint

Shantia got first crack at this one. She loved the different sounds TuxPaint made with different "paintbrush" styles and other tools. Those sounds encouraged her to experiment with a wide variety of effects she might not have tried without them. (The "rowf-rowf-rowf" sound the "eraser" made was voted by everyone in the room - adults included -- as the best audio effect in TuxPaint.)

Earl used TuxPaint to create a house with people in the windows, a sun overhead that was first round, then rectangular, then round again, and went through a variety of color changes as Shantia (and mom Alicia) made increasingly ludicrous suggestions. The front yard grew grass. A Jeep got drawn and was parked on the grass despite suggestions that it wasn't nice to park a car on the lawn.

(Earl pointed out that "Mr. Robin" sometimes parked his Jeep on his lawn, so it was okay. I am obviously a bad influence.)

When they discovered the stamps tool, all was lost. Suddenly drawings started to get Tuxes and flags all over the place, and an argument over whose turn it was quickly developed, and was stopped only by Alicia saying, "It's my turn now. I want to play too."

While not a full-featured, "adult level" graphics program, and listed as only 70% complete, TuxPaint has lots of neat drawing tools for all ages. Indeed, my wife (Debbie; the kids' grandmother, age older than she likes to admit) had a great time playing with it herself. We can hardly wait to see what this program will be like at the 100% mark.

Earl suggested adding an animation feature. He says the (Windows) drawing program they use at school "can make things move" and he likes that. He and Shantia both rated TuxPaint's sound effects as superior to the school's program, though, and said that aside from animation, it did at least as much and was at least as much fun to use, and that it didn't crash like the school's Windows computers.

(This is not the first time Earl has complained about the school's computers crashing. Apparently teachers spend a fair percentage of computer lab time rebooting -- and won't let the kids do it. Earl has trouble understanding this since the Linux computer at home virtually never locks up, and if it does it's almost always a Mozilla problem -- and Earl knows how to kill and restart Mozilla on his own, no problem.)

Potato Guy

The project's home page says, "KTuberling is a 'potato editor' game intended for small children and adults who remain young at heart. The game has no winner; the only purpose is to make the funniest faces you can."

This is not part of the Tux4Kids project, but we ended up spending quite a bit of time with it. In fact, we played with it until well after everyone's bedtime.

There are plenty of fun little games and toys like Potato Guy included with most Linux distributions. Earl and Shantia are already of familiar with many them, and like to play them as much as mom will allow. We won't try to review -- or even list -- all the kid-friendly items that have become part of Gnome and KDE. You either have them already or can easily download them (for free) and try them yourself even if you don't have children available as an excuse for engaging in child-style play.

We ended the review here, even though there were other features to look at. We had spent much more time than expected playing with the few toys we tried. This stuff is addictive!

Remember, this is all Knoppix-based, so if you want to try it yourself all you'll need to do -- as soon as the download version is released -- is burn a CD and boot directly from that CD. No installation is required.

Conclusion and suggestions

Although what Shantia, Earl and I looked at was an early beta, we had a lot of fun. This is a worthwhile project. Take a Tux4Kids/Knoppix CD to a school or a parentally-inclined friend's house and you will be doing some outstanding Linux evangelism. The only thing more likely to spread Linux than a CFO showing how much less it costs than Windows or commercial Unix in a server room is a small child winsomely asking, "Mommy, can I have a Linux? Can I play with the penguins some more?"

One thing, though, that my review crew and I agree should happen is that Tux4Kids should put the coolest kids' games, tutorials, and kid-friendly utilities directly in the KDE panel as a small menu of its own (easy to do) instead of leaving them buried in the main KDE menu structure. Or, better yet, give each one its own panel icon.

This small change would make Linux4Kids much easier to try and play with for new users -- especially for "new users" in the sense of "new to computers in general," and "new to reading and writing."

But these are quibbles. Knoppix is already great and improving steadily, and we want to encourage Tux4Kids, not knock their fine efforts, which we wholeheartedly endorse. And if you want to support them, too, we're sure they'll appreciate any help you can give them, as will Earl, Shantia, and -- we hope -- eventually millions of other children all over the world.

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never heard of freeduc ??

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 04, 2003 07:32 PM
Hey, what's new with that? freeduc has been there for a while and includes far better apps IMHO.

http://www.ofset.org/projects/edusoft/edusoft.htm<nobr>l<wbr></nobr>

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Re:never heard of freeduc ??

Posted by: Doug Loss on February 04, 2003 09:29 PM
Clearly you don't know that OSEF and OFSET are aware of each other and talk regularly. They're targetted at slightly different audiences (freeduc is aimed at the schools, while OSEF's CD is aimed at parents and kids).

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Works for adults too

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 04, 2003 08:12 PM
>The only thing more likely to spread Linux than a
>CFO showing how much less it costs than Windows or
>commercial Unix in a server room is a small child
>winsomely asking, "Mommy, can I have a Linux? Can I
> play with the penguins some more?"

Say, when the whole engineering pool whines to their manager to have CVS instead of that other expensive crap (which shall remain nameless), and that Outlook really isn't good, etc, the company also makes small steps the right way.

Of course, that's supposing that enginners are adults. Hmmm.

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Re:Works for adults too

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 04, 2003 11:41 PM
My six year old daughter keeps asking to play Tux Racer again. She has played a LOT of computer games, but she likes Tux the best.

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Teaching linux

Posted by: Tall Mario on February 04, 2003 09:49 PM
It seems to me that while basic mathematics and typing skills are important, we should also make an effort in these "tux4kids" programs to teach use of linux itself, and ensure the next generation of Hackers is also interested in Open Source.

I can think of a few ways to do this. For example, the "protect the cities" idea could be extended to teach the command line, the kids have to type in the correct UNIX command and list of options to save the city before it is crushed.

We could also teach them about the philosophy of Open Source. I suggest perhaps introducing phrases from RMS's essays into the typing tutor program, so while they learn to type they are also learning the value of freedom and the importance of Open Source.

The last obvious thing to do is of course introduce Xbill into the package.

I expect some will call this propaganda, but remember that large software companies already indoctrinate children with their own propaganda. To succeed Linux ought to do the same.

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Luddite

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 01:05 AM
Linux is moving away from the CLI to GUI. Get a life.

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Re:Luddite

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 01:36 AM
I beg to differ, X is a program, written entirely in C

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Re:Luddite

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 08, 2003 02:25 AM
Linux has no GUI - it is purely command line. You may be referring to Xfree86 which is something else.

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Re:Luddite

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 08, 2003 08:33 AM
Your wrong. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Linux is only a kernel. The shell is altogether different.

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Re:Teaching linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 01:39 AM
linux is not moving away from the CLI, it is improving the GUI interface so both are very usable. In the future, if the next generation doesnt learn the CLI, there will be many servers having the same problems if LINUX switches to a GUI interface like Windows. The glory of LINUX is having the GUI ontop of the CLI, instead of integrating the two, which in turn makes servers more secure not having extra things that aren't needed, and allows processes, (like auto-update) to run automatically independent of the GUI.
ie. in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/crontab 1 * * * * apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -y will check for any updates once an hour

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Re:Teaching linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 02:01 AM
Actually, over at Tux4Kids, we've been thinking of how to make a good educational language interpreter (could be built around something existing like Python wyth PySDL, who knows) to help teach programming to young children... but we're already spread pretty thinly, so we'd need fresh meat in our ranks to head something like that up<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

A lot of us (myself included) learned programming at a very young age with old computers like the 8-bit Ataris and 8-bit Commodores. A lot of us (myself included) are upset that more programming isn't taught in schools, and would love to do something about it.

Anyway, it's sort of what you were talking about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

Sam "Criswell" Hart (who's way too lazy to create an account right now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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computer=toaster

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 03:44 AM
I think the point being made is that most people consider their computer to be a household appliance. Sure, a few want to learn "how it works" and will take the thing apart or experiment with programming. So, not to discourage efforts that include educational programing, most folks just want to use the computer. For those folks, CLI is not an option, and GUI is what they want.

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Re:Teaching linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 07, 2003 03:35 PM
Nobody reading this post seems to appreciate the *sarcasm* in it. It's hilarious to me that a sarcastic dig against linux/opensource/hacker culture was completely missed, and instead a heated debate insued about whether linux was "moving away from the command line" or not. Give me a break!

The linux hacker culture has its good points, but appreciation for subtlety isn't one of them. Perhaps that's what turns people off who want to learn more about linux.

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Tuxracer

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 04, 2003 10:46 PM
Ok, so it's not exactly educational, but my four year old is forever pestering me to play the penguin game (tuxracer), he even had his grandmother at it the other night.

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Tuxracer is quite useless on older hardware.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 01:18 AM
What kind of hardware do you run Tuxracer on?

On both my laptop (750 Mhz Pentium, 320 MB RAM<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,8MB video ram) and my desktop (700Mhz Duron, 768 MB RAM, 16 MB video ram) Tux racer will basically not run. It runs so slowly that I generally have to kill it from another terminal, to regain control of the machine.

My kid (4yrs old) has a 750Mhz Duron 196MB RAM and 8MB video card. I won't even attempt to run Tux racer on there. Before I moved my Kids machine to Debian, it Run Windows98 and there were plenty of games that run very well on it. Sadly, there is not much available for Linux. Wine will only run 3 out of about 40 games programs that she has on CD, so I'll probably reinstall Windows on that machine. Sad. But I don't want to deprive her off over 90% of her games.

I don't want to shell out for a muscle machine, thats partly why I moved to Linux in the first place. I will upgrade the kid machines video card though. Kids software should run on older hardware, though, since kids are more likely to have hand me downs, either at home or at school than adults

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Re:Tuxracer is quite useless on older hardware.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 02:14 AM
It's the video card, not the processor. Tux Racer is running very well on my 200MHz Pentium system. Make sure that you have the hardware acceleration enabled on your video card.

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Re:Tuxracer is quite useless on older hardware.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 02:15 AM
i love tuxracer, but i dont have an nvidia video card. cant wait for other companies to make drivers for 3d accel

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Re:Tuxracer is quite useless on older hardware.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 03:48 AM
If you're going to put up the money for a 750MHz machine for your kid, get him a half way decent video card.

Some 64MB Geforce2 cards for ~35$ :
http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/3685-1.htm

There are plenty of great commercial quality native linux games out there:
http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php

Plenty of good free ones:
http://www.happypenguin.org

And if you want to use winex for windows games:
http://www.transgaming.com

Don't let gaming be the reason you deprive your child of a decent operating system.

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Re:Tuxracer

Posted by: jms on February 05, 2003 06:35 AM
All it takes is getting 3d support for your graphics card. even relatively lame 3d cards can play it if you have the 3d drivers (openGL) up and running...I think. I know my tnt2 and geforce2's do fine.

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Depending on their age...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 01:31 AM
...the commercial game Creatures 3 (available from <A HREF="http://www.linuxgamepublishing.com/">Linux Game Publishing</a linuxgamepublishing.com>) may be suitable on the commercial side.

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you can help linux in edu

Posted by: affero on February 05, 2003 03:14 AM
The truth is we need to get funds to projects, non profits and foundations like the open source education foundation <A HREF="http://www.osef.org/">osef</a osef.org>. Recently Paul Nelson of K12LTSP has been trying to raise some funds to get indivuals to the <A HREF="http://www.neccsite.org/">NECC</a neccsite.org> to bring linux awareness to District and School-based Technology Coordinators, Principals and District-level Administrators, Classroom Teachers, Teacher Educators, University Professors and Instructors, Government and Industry Representatives, Independent Ed Tech Consultants.

They way people can help, if they would like, is join <A HREF="http://www.affero.com/ca/K12LTSP">affero</a affero.com> and place a link in their<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.sig Here is an <A HREF="http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=creed&p=K12LTSP">example</a affero.net> of mine and my <A HREF="http://svcs.affero.net/user-history.php?u=creed">
reputation</a affero.net> which you can build that follows you wherever you go on the net.

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Download available

Posted by: hmcgregor on February 05, 2003 05:26 AM
First of all, I need to remind people that this CD is still in development and testing.

Our aim with this version of Knoppix is to show parents, teachers, school administrators, and school school board members that Linux is viable on the desktop. For that reason, we decided to use KDE 3.x for the GUI, and other more eye candy items, instead of focusing on a proper student desktop.

As far as a fully kids oriented Knoppix based solution, I would highly recommend Freeduc, from <A HREF="http://www.ofset.org/">www.ofset.org</a ofset.org>. Ofset has made choices, such as using XFCE that are more student oriented.

For our Linux on the Desktop installations, we normally use IceWM, and a very basic icon set.

Now, for what people are looking for, the download for the CD is now linked on the <A HREF="http://www.osef.org/">OSEF website</a osef.org>, and has been downloaded over 600 times. Anyone interested in mirroring, please contact me, hmcgregor@osef.org.

If you are interested in a fully labeled CD, please email requests, including mailing address, to hmcgregor@osef.org.

Harry McGregor

    CEO, Co-Founder

    Open Source Education Foundation

    A not-for-profit, tax-exempt charitable organization

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installability?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 05, 2003 05:24 PM
Harry --

First, thanks for this project. It's a great idea<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

Now, a quick question which I ask only because I just downloaded a copy of (the regular old) Knoppix a few days ago, and have used it to install Debian on 2 computers. (And in fact, on this computer, as I type, Knoppix is 74% finished with its magic). My older copy of Knoppix had a few language glitches; my German is OK but not good enough for all time time.

So, does the OSEF kids version also have a hard-drive install included? I hope it does -- it's a very nice feature.

Cheers,

Tim

(ate with you in New York last February)

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Re:installability?

Posted by: hmcgregor on February 06, 2003 02:34 AM
Yes, and no, we did not remove the install script from the disc, though we also have not tested it. You can think of it as unsupported, in a way.

If you test it, and it works, please contact me with the details

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downloading now :)

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 06, 2003 02:29 PM
Harry --

I'm wget-ting this in the background right now, and I have both a system (an oldish Compaq iPaq which presently runs Debian as installed from the hard-drive install script, so I know it works) and some kids (someone *else's* kids that is) on whom to test it, ages 8-12.

I'll let you know how it works.

Tim

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installs fine, mostly :)

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 07, 2003 12:20 PM
Harry -- I'll send you some more details by email, but I am tapping this message from a newly-installed Linux4Kids system, living on an 8-gig hard drive inside a Compaq iPaq (500MHz, 128MB RAM). Yay -- success!

In short, the hard drive install worked, and worked well, on this machine. The toughest part is knowing [how / why / whether] to work the disk partitioning tool fdisk (which is called by the hard-drive install script); it wasn't hard for me, but that's only because I've bashed my head against it enough times in the last few years that I finally know enough to survive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) There's also the matter of language switching; even though I started up with lang=us, and switched KDE's preferences both in the control center and on the desktop control bar, for some reason it loves reverting to German<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I know enough German to find the "Land & Sprache" control, but some people won't. Note that both of these apply to plain old Knoppix; they're not specific to the OSEF version at all, but they are ankle-biters.

So, anyone still reading this message at this stage of the game, rest assured that it *is* possible to install this distro on your hard drive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) It's really not that hard to get the languages working, either.

There are four kids at least who will get their own accounts on this machine, so they can do their homework, play games, pretend to do their homework while playing games, etc. Besides fear of the wimpy CD drive breaking, this is actually the other reason I wanted it on the hard drive -- so they can have their own accounts / hard drive space. I know that at that age (errr, and my present one) I'd rather have my own account than just "get to use" a computer.

Thanks for the work in making this distro! Like Robin said, it has some rough spots, but it's such a cool toy with so many parts, how could it not? I'm confident that every iteration of this will make it better.

Tim

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Re:installs fine, mostly :)

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 08, 2003 12:54 AM
The problem of understanding partition tools is ubiquitous.What is completely obvious to a programmer is incomprehensible to a newbie. You can see posts about this problem on every forum everywhere.
So far, the simplest and most undestandable explanation that I have found is in "Teach Yourself Red Hat Linux Visually". It has 17 screen shots of the partition process, along with supporting text. It is not perfect,. It could also be expanded and a couple of areas are not too clear.
Given that this discussion is about linux for kids (which, regardless of age, is about my level) I hope that this problem will be given the attention that it deserves. Hope springs eternal!

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tuxtype forum

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 06, 2003 12:23 AM
There's a real good place to talk about the Tuxtype app
a forum is available at:

http://tuxtype.sf.net/forums

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Re:tuxtype forum

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 08, 2003 06:54 AM
I grabbed a Win32 build of Tux Typing for my kids back when Windows was still my primary boot. My four-year refers to Tux as "typing game guy".

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how to make your own..

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 06, 2003 07:34 AM
Instructions for making your own version of knoppix are here : <A HREF="http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto">Knoppix remastering howto</a knoppix.net>

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Knoppix

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 06, 2003 11:29 PM
I love Knoppix. I'm using it right now. BUT, face it, there is no revolution. Linux isn't going anywhere in the classroom, execpt maybe in countries like China where you can be jailed, or shot, for using the 'wrong' OS.:->

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Re:Knoppix

Posted by: hmcgregor on February 06, 2003 11:43 PM
I would beg to differ with that. We (the Open Source Education Foundation) have beeen working with GNU/Linux on the educational desktop since 1997 when I built our first elementary school computer lab (OSEF did not encorporate until April of 2000).

We have had for the past 6 years, over 600 K-5 (5 year - 11 year old) students using GNU/Linux on the desktop, on a daily basis, in a public school located in Tucson Arizona.

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600 linux kids vs. 10^6 windows kids

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 07, 2003 03:15 PM
Gee, what a difference, depending on where that pesky 6 is put!

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Knoppy

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 08, 2003 02:25 AM
Dont know about tux4kids but I can tell you knoppix is doing good stuff to Linux in general. I have my brother using knoppix to play his divx movies etc, and some of my customers kids requested a copy because they liked the KDE look.

Other distros couldnt so easily penetrate the market as smoothly as knoppix is.

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Re:Knoppy

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 09, 2003 04:41 AM
True. SuSE's liveEval is another, but it isn't marketed as a knoppix-type system. It does, however function like one, and lets you save settings and work done back onto the windows partition (/home is stored on a FAT32 partition, if one is available, and the settings for hardware are also...)

While SuSE's eval CD is more professional looking (hides the boot mesages unless you press F2, etc, etc), it really doesn't have anything more than Knoppix, and Knoppix lets you 'seal the deal' by letting you install to the hard drive from it if you choose, which is a big positve. I look forward to seeing what knoppix will become, and like very much what it is today<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Hmm

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 09, 2003 07:30 PM
Is it just me or does the phrase "Kids enjoying Linux" sound like some sort of pedophilia? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there's more and more of this kinda crap around. I've known parents who were turned off by Linux before, maybe this is why.

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Re:Hmm

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 10, 2003 02:16 AM
How long have you worked for Microsoft? I guess "kids enjoying Microsoft" sounds better to you. My kids' computer is a dualboot with Win98 and Linux because there are just as many cool things to do in linux as is in Windows. They asked me to do this so they could do all the neat stuff they've seen on my computer. Knoppix is terrific and makes running linux as easy as running Windows.

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Re:Hmm

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 11, 2003 12:17 PM
Yes, it's just you. Do you think about pedophilia often? Or does any phrase which makes mention of any kid enjoying anything get your swiffer wet?

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Re:Hmm

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 17, 2003 08:06 AM
BULLSHIT! Do you ever think before you type? Have you ever used your brain at all? Off wit ya head!

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Re:Hmm

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 02, 2003 06:44 AM
You just helped redefine ignorance. Educated people know when not to speak. You need to learn that trait.

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Tux4Kids? Crap? NO!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 12, 2003 07:50 AM
It's FREE, and THEY CAN'T BREAK IT. How is that crap? I swear, some people need to think before they act. Like me.

Oh, yeah, it's crap, it wasn't based on FreeBSD, oh my, hehe.

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Freeduc: Directory of free software for schools

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 16, 2003 07:54 PM
There is another project featuring a live CD based on Knoppix, which focuses on educational Free Software for schools, see http://www.ofset.org/projects/edusoft/edusoft.htm<nobr>l<wbr></nobr>

The CD contains most of the programs featured in this article, along with a lot of other edutainment software and games. Maybe a cross-linking between the projects would enhance cooperation and speed of development?

Regards
-Klaus Knopper

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Get your kids an old machine

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 31, 2003 07:18 AM
Hello,

I found Linux in general capable of running on a lot of older boxes. I guess, all these games and KDE will run smoothly on something with half a Gigahertz of speed.

So, as these games are no heavy 3D-Action games, requiring the newest in Hardware, why not buy your kids some older box (the cost is almost neglectable) or get it from a friend (even cheaper)? If it breaks, nothing will be lost, just get another one - until your kids learn how to type and demand for a box with the newest in Hardware... But then, they will have learnt so much about computers to know what they want - and that's what it's about - fun and learning!

Bye, and I apologize for staying anonymous.

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Where to download?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 06, 2003 05:45 AM
I searched the site, including the cvs web interface, but don't see anywhere to download a knoppix + tux4kids distro...

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Re: Where to download?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 216.17.205.138] on August 15, 2007 08:48 AM

Re:Hardware Detection Rocks!!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 08, 2003 06:53 AM
Of course there are ALOT of kids games available for Linux distros. Like GCompris, which has numerous learning games, and the KEdu suite of KDE for the older ones.

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Hardware Detection Rocks!!

Posted by: Administrator on May 08, 2003 04:35 AM
Knoppix has the best hardware autodetection that I've seen in any distribution of Linux. When I had a Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop Knoppix autodetected my DLink USB NIC every time. With Debian, Mandrake, etc. I always had to install the module myself. It was never autodetected.

I have an almost 3 year old daughter how loves to play "the dinosaur game" in Windows. Maybe I can find a few games on this CD that she will like too. Oh get this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... she can use the mouse to start her own games and she knows how to put the CDs in and out of the tray. hehe

Anyway, keep up the good work Tux4Kids and Linux4Kids!!!

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